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savagehardy

I don't seem to be able to see the bit where I can actually get to the data

4 November 2009 at 10:59pm Last edited: 5 November 2009 5:40pm
This just seems to be a list of some websites that have a spreadsheet or similar
How do I query the data - is there an open search or similar method i can get stuff
Are there documented APIs
or is it just about downloading spreadsheets
A link like this does not seem to be data
http://data.govt.nz/dataset/show/633
just returns a web page even though you say Format : Spreadsheet
http://www.med.govt.nz/templates/ContentTopicSummary____20511.aspx10 clicks later i may find a spreadsheet
http://www.med.govt.nz/upload/37417/coal_table_1.xlsshould this level of spreadsheet not be catalogued?
or maybe my idea of data is confused...
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Anthony Hawkins

Re: I don't seem to be able to see the bit where I can actually get to the data

5 November 2009 at 8:10am Last edited: 5 November 2009 5:39pm
Hi there. At the moment the records link to a HTML pages, rather than directly to the data. That's usually when those pages contain an index to multiple datasets, or when there's some important caveat included about the data (or any info at all - our summaries for the record summaries are short ). Documenting APIs and other ways into the data are things we're definitely looking at. We're also encouraging depts to provide things like auto-updating xml sitemaps. That kind of discussion is a big part of the project, but in the meantime, we've erred on the side of html.
Cheers
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savage hardy

Re: I don't seem to be able to see the bit where I can actually get to the data

5 November 2009 at 11:04pm Last edited: 6 November 2009 8:28am
I guess there is either a whole of government approach or not
If this is data.govt.nz surely you should be mandating agencies to do it right. Is thia not how the nz govt standards were done
However the nz govt standards illustrate how mandating don't really help get a good result - even if some agencies complied there has still been shoddy practice.
Thinking notably DIA and Commerce both have really bad sytems that create both ugly URIs and keep changing URI stucture without adequate redirection - to trust a URL we need persistence.
So i dont really care what you are asking agencies/departments - I would rather see what you are saying should happen.
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Anthony

Re: I don't seem to be able to see the bit where I can actually get to the data

6 November 2009 at 8:41am Last edited: 6 November 2009 8:42am
Mandating is not something we can decide, though since launch we've had a number of agencies asking what we'd like and how they can help. Standardising formats and creating solid internal processes about data release (including dealing with URL persistence) is the key. We're beginning to look at this now with other agencies and hopefully non-govt people.
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Jason Taylor

Re: I don't seem to be able to see the bit where I can actually get to the data

12 November 2009 at 3:38pm Last edited: 13 November 2009 10:35am
Data formats are also crucial xls is "good step forward" but still requires excel installed to read it properly.
Promoting XML or any other open standards would be appreciated
The other issue we have run into are govt sites that have data that you can not get to from a URL but require button clicks.. also not good for data mining
And requires us to write tedious documents about how to reach the data
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Anthony

Re: I don't seem to be able to see the bit where I can actually get to the data

13 November 2009 at 10:45am Last edited: 13 November 2009 10:48am
Hi there, our definite preference is for open formats. As you say though, its about progress at this stage. Other parts of the public service are looking at standards (or at least coherent guidance) in this area, and that's a priority. We've been concentrating on making the data findable, in the first instance.
Where we index a non-open format dataset (or HTML dataset), we contact the owner agency and ask it be converted to something better.
Re linking to referring HTML pages rather than direct to the datasets, we need to let people see the licencing info and sometimes data disclaimer info. Possibly later this could be included in XML feeds or similar, removing the need, but at this stage we need to do this. Cheers
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Kuraki

Re: I don't seem to be able to see the bit where I can actually get to the data

18 November 2009 at 9:39pm Last edited: 19 November 2009 12:13pm
This site is useless and a waste of tax payer's money. I believe that all of this links can be googled. Did they just do this so that they can do something?
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Anthony

Re: I don't seem to be able to see the bit where I can actually get to the data

19 November 2009 at 12:20pm Last edited: 19 November 2009 12:21pm
Hi Kuraki. Google's good, but there's a lot of stuff on our site that you'll find only after many results pages' worth of searching. We also check it with agencies where we need to, add metadata, license info etc. It's specialist site, Google's not. You'll be pleased to hear the site was built in-house, with min spending. Cheers
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